Bill Binney: “NSA decided that with bulk acquisition of data, US citizens would be the first to have (all) their information collected. The rest of the world are now being treated like US citizens.”
Moderator: “In a recent London Guardian story, you said the NSA was surveilling its own population for “totalitarian population control.” Can you say that again in your own words?”
Binney: Yes, it falls back to the principles of totalitarianism and how dictators have operated down through the centuries. It’s know what your people are doing and find the ones who are not conforming to what you want them to do and then get rid of them. And that’s fundamentally what this process does.
Webmaster (ETK) Introduction: These are excellent and important youtube interviews and lectures by ex-NSA whistleblower, Bill Binney. These are well worth your careful attention.
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Moderator: What occurs to me is there is a historical relationship between mass surveillance on a population and the crushing of dissent of that population. Can you explain that?
Binney: Well, that goes back to Caesar Augustus. Anybody that opposed him- you needed to know about it first of all, and once that happened, they would disappear. The same was true of the Soviet Union or East Germany with the Stasi. If you said anything out of line, you ended up in jail or in a sanitarium or something or in a gulag somewhere. The same was true of the Nazis and the Gestapo and SS.
This is historically true. This is the way totalitarian states operate. And this gathering knowledge about people and the entire population is a totalitarian procedure. That’s why I’ve been opposing it since they started it in 2001.
This is the domestic threat that our Constitutional and the oath of office we took was given to prevent. No other country in the world could have done to us what we have done to ourselves. This the time when all good Americans need to stand up and oppose this..
You have to be aware that these agencies are threatening what is fundamental to human rights everywhere. And you ensure that you have some way of verifying and keeping these agencies in line.
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Bill Binney: “NSA decided that with bulk acquisition of data, US citizens would be the first to have (all) their information collected. The rest of the world are now being treated like US citizens. We’re all being treated the same.”
Moderator: “In a recent London Guardian story, you said the reason NSA was surveilling its own population was for “totalitarian population control.” Can you say that again in your own words?”
Binney: Yes, it falls back to the principles of totalitarianism and how dictators have operated down through the centuries. It’s know what your people are doing and find the ones who are not conforming to what you want them to do and then get rid of them. And that’s fundamentally what this process does. It gives them that kind of knowledge about everyone in the country. And if you start to speak up about some issue or something you get noticed and they they have all that data already assembled on you. And they simply go compile it and look at it and see how they can influence you to do what they would conceive to be the right thing. So that’s how they use it against people. And you make sure that they know what you know about what they’ve got. So then they (the people) fear you and will conform to your wishes. And if they can’t find anything on you specifically, but they can find something on somebody you care about, then they’ll use that against you.
These are standard KGB tactics also.”
Excerpt from interview at 6:32:
“(Obama) is fundamentally attacking all whistleblowers as much as he can. He has prosecuted more whistleblowers than the entire set of presidents before him. He wants to silence them. He’s a constitutional lawyer (so) he knows this is a direct violation of the constitution.”
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